RE: [Titanaircraft] Titan Purchase

I think Hugh's point was trying to do a full stall landing at the height
"feel" of the 172, which will break legs. You can certainly do full stall
landings, but all the transition training I've done with GA pilots that fly
tall planes, they always want to start the flare at 20+ feet high. You can
start to round out your glide at 20 feet if you have enough air speed, but
the Tornado will often just sink even faster if you're too close to that
magic angle of attack.

Randy

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From: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Covington
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 1:18 PM
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Titan Purchase

I disagree on the full stall. If you want to land short (as the Tornado
is fully capable of doing) you can do the (almost) full stall approach.
You won't break a leg as long as you're close to the ground - much
closer than a 172.

I say (almost) because the rear tail wheel normally hits before you can
get the main wing to stall. As soon as it hits, your angle of attack
lessens, you loose lift, and you come down. If you're high enough to not
hit the tailwheel in a full stall landing, you're probably too high. It
will feel very different than a short-field/full-stall landing in a 172.
If you don't tap the tailwheel when you're trying to land short, you
could have landed shorter.

I have broken a gear leg, but I think I was probably about 6 ft up at
the time of the stall. It's worth noting that I did land as short as I
wanted (of course, after a full stall!) and was able to taxi to parking
over a rough field on the broken leg. In an emergency, I could have
taken off on the broken leg as well. That's why I like the fiberglass
legs over the titanium.

I do agree with the 2 hours (min) of transition time, however.

Hugh Sontag wrote:
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> Also, the "flare" is a bit different. If you bring a Tornado in the
> way a 172 is often landed, ending in a very nose-high attitude at
> "full stall", you'll almost certainly break the gear in the ensuing
> stall.
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> The way to land a Tornado is to carry enough airspeed in the approach
> to "round out" above stall speed (at around 50 mph), flying parallel
> to the ground, and then keep the wheels a few inches above the runway
> until the plane slows and settles to the ground.
>

> I recommend at least an hour or two of time in a two-place Tornado
> before flying one solo.
>
> Hugh Sontag
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> >I too am interested in buying a Titan. What is the difference in
> >the handling characteristics of a Titan 1 and the 2? And, if I get
> >some training in a 2 place would it be difficult to transition to
> >the single? Thanks for any info you can give me. I have about 120
> >hrs. in 172's, Cherokees, and a few hrs. in a Socata TB9.
> >Don Price
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