Sunday, December 27, 2009

[Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, <sgbounds@...> wrote:
>
> I just did some DD on the Jab 3300 turbo subject. There was a defense contractor in Australia that added twin turbos and fuel injection to a 3300 and ended up with approx 200 h.p.
>
> There are two types of fuel injection systems being played around with by fliers with the 3300. One is a "rail" type with individual injectors for each cylinder, and the other is a throttle body similar to what was used on vehicles in the late '80s. The throttle body is the cheapest and simplest system, so they say. Easier starting, smoother idle, smoother, but stronger acceleration of the engine + better fuel economy.
>
> Now, if only Jabiru would latch on to one of the fuel injection systems and make it a standard item..........
>
> I had a fuel injection on my plane with a ----- engine with BMW fuel injection. When the charging systen goes out and the voltage drops to 10.2V the computer quits, as does your fuel injection. The thing that takes lots of power is the fuel pump which has to put out 40+ lbs. of pressure. Believe me the battery doesn't last very long with no charge going into it! Well I made it back to the airfield but by the skin of my teeth!
No more computer controlled fuel injection for me.
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Saturday, December 26, 2009

Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Guy,

2200 yes, 3300 -- not yet, though I've dreamt about it since we got it. :-)

--Kimberly


----- Original Message -----
From: guy truex
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by Kimberly would be a good choice as well.

I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build the parts over some weekends.

A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.

Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go there.

-- Guy

________________________________
From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@motionaero.com>
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

LS,

Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.

--Kimberly

----- Original Message -----
From: ls78705
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

--- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@.. .> wrote:
>
> Kess,
>
> The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
>
> --Kimberly
>

Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?

One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.

Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?

If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....

LS

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

I'm sure you can get a very good offer on the 2200. I see "wanted" ads
for them all the time.


Tim Hansen wrote:
>
>
> As soon as I have a reasonable excuse (read: money) to get rid of my
> Jab 2200 on my Titan I, I'm gonna put a 3300 on it. I love my current
> setup and it's the most fun I've ever had with my clothes on, but, an
> extra 40 horses and a different prop... ahhh, what a rush!
>
> Tim Hansen
>
> --- On Thu, 12/24/09, Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com
> <mailto:kessb%40wavecable.com>> wrote:
>
> From: Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com <mailto:kessb%40wavecable.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 4:46 PM
>
>
>
> Oooooh, I like this conversation. Faster is always funner!!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ls78705
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:32 PM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
> ah, now we're talking. That would be an interesting compliment to JD's
> SS concept, where the plane is like his Chevelle SS. The Shelby Titan
> or Titan SB or ?
>
> Maybe also an aerobatically stressed version, where you have as an
> option fitting a snomo 2-stroke conversion like the rotax 670 for max
> power/weight (and 50 hour TBO's ;))
>
> But still, it would seem to me a single with 150 Vne kit and 2200 is
> still going to be pretty spectacular (and weigh less too)....
>
> LS
> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, guy truex <airbosss@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine
> mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang
> is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the
> Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and
> of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail
> surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by
> Kimberly would be a good choice as well.
> >
> > I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my
> D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them
> shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still
> working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build
> the parts over some weekends.
> >
> > A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a
> used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.
> >
> > Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go
> there.
> >
> > -- Guy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@.. .>
> > To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
> >
> >
> > LS,
> >
> > Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive
> prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the
> 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and
> direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because
> the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to
> the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of
> the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S
> since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load
> the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially
> well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of
> power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for
> concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.
> >
> > --Kimberly
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: ls78705
> > To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
> > Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
> >
> > --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@
> .> wrote:
> > >
> > > Kess,
> > >
> > > The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern
> if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and
> wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or
> oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be
> an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also
> push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
> > >
> > > --Kimberly
> > >
> >
> > Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the
> strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor
> mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?
> >
> > One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I
> got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0
> mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little
> car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as
> he advanced the throttle for takeoff.
> >
> > Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?
> >
> > If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me
> the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....
> >
> > LS
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
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Friday, December 25, 2009

Re: [Titanaircraft] Merry Christmas, everyone

In a message dated 12/24/2009 1:56:55 PM Central Standard Time,
jd@adventureboatrentals.com writes:


> From the deep freeze of Nebraska (I remember why I moved from here, now!)
>
> J.D.
>

And from Madison, where the temp is a balmy 38.

Greg S


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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Aaah Tim,

When you decide to get rid of your Jab 2200, could I have 1st dibs on it?? It would make my single seat Thundergull go like the wind. I could use the extra 35 pony's as you go for the extra 40 more.

Kess


----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Hansen
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



As soon as I have a reasonable excuse (read: money) to get rid of my Jab 2200 on my Titan I, I'm gonna put a 3300 on it. I love my current setup and it's the most fun I've ever had with my clothes on, but, an extra 40 horses and a different prop... ahhh, what a rush!

Tim Hansen

--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com> wrote:

From: Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com>
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 4:46 PM

Oooooh, I like this conversation. Faster is always funner!!

----- Original Message -----
From: ls78705
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

ah, now we're talking. That would be an interesting compliment to JD's SS concept, where the plane is like his Chevelle SS. The Shelby Titan or Titan SB or ?

Maybe also an aerobatically stressed version, where you have as an option fitting a snomo 2-stroke conversion like the rotax 670 for max power/weight (and 50 hour TBO's ;))

But still, it would seem to me a single with 150 Vne kit and 2200 is still going to be pretty spectacular (and weigh less too)....

LS
--- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, guy truex <airbosss@.. .> wrote:
>
> I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by Kimberly would be a good choice as well.
>
> I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build the parts over some weekends.
>
> A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.
>
> Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go there.
>
> -- Guy
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@.. .>
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
>
> LS,
>
> Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.
>
> --Kimberly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ls78705
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Kess,
> >
> > The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
> >
> > --Kimberly
> >
>
> Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?
>
> One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.
>
> Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?
>
> If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....
>
> LS
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Thursday, December 24, 2009

[Titanaircraft] Re: Merry Christmas, everyone

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "J.D. Stewart - Adventure Boat Rentals" <jd@...> wrote:
>
> From the deep freeze of Nebraska (I remember why I moved from here, now!)
>
> J.D.
>

Oh my ... you went back up there? Are you nuts? haha.

I just dodged the bullet. I'm in Miami for the week .. but Sunday
reality returns and I gotta go back. Wish I could afford to retire
and just stay here. Spent Tues and Wed at the beach and a green
palm tree Christmas is going to work just fine.

Merry Christmas everyone.

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

As soon as I have a reasonable excuse (read: money) to get rid of my Jab 2200 on my Titan I, I'm gonna put a 3300 on it. I love my current setup and it's the most fun I've ever had with my clothes on, but, an extra 40 horses and a different prop... ahhh, what a rush!
 
Tim Hansen

--- On Thu, 12/24/09, Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com> wrote:


From: Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com>
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 24, 2009, 4:46 PM


 

Oooooh, I like this conversation. Faster is always funner!!

----- Original Message -----
From: ls78705
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

ah, now we're talking. That would be an interesting compliment to JD's SS concept, where the plane is like his Chevelle SS. The Shelby Titan or Titan SB or ?

Maybe also an aerobatically stressed version, where you have as an option fitting a snomo 2-stroke conversion like the rotax 670 for max power/weight (and 50 hour TBO's ;))

But still, it would seem to me a single with 150 Vne kit and 2200 is still going to be pretty spectacular (and weigh less too)....

LS
--- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, guy truex <airbosss@.. .> wrote:
>
> I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by Kimberly would be a good choice as well.
>
> I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build the parts over some weekends.
>
> A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.
>
> Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go there.
>
> -- Guy
>
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
> From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@.. .>
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
>
> LS,
>
> Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.
>
> --Kimberly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ls78705
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Kess,
> >
> > The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
> >
> > --Kimberly
> >
>
> Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?
>
> One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.
>
> Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?
>
> If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....
>
> LS
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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

I just did some DD on the Jab 3300 turbo subject. There was a defense contractor in Australia that added twin turbos and fuel injection to a 3300 and ended up with approx 200 h.p.

There are two types of fuel injection systems being played around with by fliers with the 3300. One is a "rail" type with individual injectors for each cylinder, and the other is a throttle body similar to what was used on vehicles in the late '80s. The throttle body is the cheapest and simplest system, so they say. Easier starting, smoother idle, smoother, but stronger acceleration of the engine + better fuel economy.

Now, if only Jabiru would latch on to one of the fuel injection systems and make it a standard item..........

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Oooooh, I like this conversation. Faster is always funner!!

----- Original Message -----
From: ls78705
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:32 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



ah, now we're talking. That would be an interesting compliment to JD's SS concept, where the plane is like his Chevelle SS. The Shelby Titan or Titan SB or ?

Maybe also an aerobatically stressed version, where you have as an option fitting a snomo 2-stroke conversion like the rotax 670 for max power/weight (and 50 hour TBO's ;))

But still, it would seem to me a single with 150 Vne kit and 2200 is still going to be pretty spectacular (and weigh less too)....

LS
--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, guy truex <airbosss@...> wrote:
>
> I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by Kimberly would be a good choice as well.
>
> I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build the parts over some weekends.
>
> A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.
>
> Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go there.
>
> -- Guy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@...>
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
>
> LS,
>
> Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.
>
> --Kimberly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ls78705
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Kess,
> >
> > The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
> >
> > --Kimberly
> >
>
> Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?
>
> One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.
>
> Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?
>
> If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....
>
> LS
>
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[Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

ah, now we're talking. That would be an interesting compliment to JD's SS concept, where the plane is like his Chevelle SS. The Shelby Titan or Titan SB or ?

Maybe also an aerobatically stressed version, where you have as an option fitting a snomo 2-stroke conversion like the rotax 670 for max power/weight (and 50 hour TBO's ;))

But still, it would seem to me a single with 150 Vne kit and 2200 is still going to be pretty spectacular (and weigh less too)....

LS
--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, guy truex <airbosss@...> wrote:
>
> I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by Kimberly would be a good choice as well.
>
> I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build the parts over some weekends.
>
> A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.
>
> Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go there.
>
> -- Guy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@...>
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
>
> LS,
>
> Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.
>
> --Kimberly
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ls78705
> To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@ .> wrote:
> >
> > Kess,
> >
> > The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
> >
> > --Kimberly
> >
>
> Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?
>
> One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.
>
> Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?
>
> If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....
>
> LS
>
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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

I have been thinking about this combination for years. The engine mount part of the frame is the same. The reference to the Ford Mustang is interesting. My thoughts have been to do a "Shelby" version of the Tornado single place. There is another airfoil I would like to use and of course that would require a new wing. A new tailboom and tail surfaces would be required. The Titanium main gear suggested by Kimberly would be a good choice as well.

I am home in Tennessee for the holidays. I was just looking at my D-cell fixture and my spar table and thinking about how to get them shipped to Arizona. I have a small shop there now. Although I am still working full time at another job, I'm sure I could find time to build the parts over some weekends.

A single place kit could be purchased from Titan and modified, or a used single place could be inspected and rebuilt.

Kimberly, has anyone ever turbocharged a 3300? Naw, we better not go there.

-- Guy


________________________________
From: Kimberly Panos <kimberly@motionaero.com>
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 8:41:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1


LS,

Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct- drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.

--Kimberly

----- Original Message -----
From: ls78705
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

--- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@.. .> wrote:
>
> Kess,
>
> The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
>
> --Kimberly
>

Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?

One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.

Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?

If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....

LS

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

You know, I was just comparing them to my Gull 2000, so maybe that's the way the Titan wing is built. Pats windows are really thick though, but the gear legs don't seem to be titanium.

Kess

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Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



All Titans have the hat sections. Also, Kess, what do you mean about the rear spars being extended?

-- Guy

________________________________
From: Kess Blaswich <kessb@wavecable.com>
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Cc: pat swift <swiftruck@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 12:01:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Ohhhh my, that kind of speed is invitng, but I have only 120 Vne wings, but it sure would be fun getting there faster, but my hangar mate, Pat is his name, is loving his Titan 1, having it only about three months, and having graduating up from Phantoms and Kolbs. His wings do have the hat sections, and the rear spar seems to extend farther than mine.
I'm going to forward this to him, as he wants to more about the 150mph wing. Also, his windows are really thick, and are probably the .090 ones

Thanks for your input.

Kess

----- Original Message -----
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To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Kess,

The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.

--Kimberly

----- Original Message -----
From: Kess
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Hey gang,

Has anyone put a Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1?? My hangar mate wants to dump his 503 and put on the big Jabiru. Is that too much engine for the Titan 1, or is too much never an issue. He can't stand flying at my speed, and wants to leave me in the dust. He could do that with the Jabiru 2200, but he wants that 2950fpm climb that I've heard about.
Wa-da-ya-think? ?

Kess

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Well ....

http://minijets.org/typo3/index.php?id=58

Lots of power and smooth! Fuel burn would be a bit difficult to live
with!

Dale
N28YD

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "ls78705" <lstavenhagen@...> wrote:

> I meant on the single place... Seems like a 3300 would just be a
> total warp drive on the titan I and wondered if the airframe could
> handle the power.... <SNIP>

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Hey Kimberly,

I meant on the single place... Seems like a 3300 would just be a total warp drive on the titan I and wondered if the airframe could handle the power....

And of course I'd love to try one on my SS. So don't keep telling me how nice it is, lest I end up at the bank for the money to buy one..... with my 912 for sale.... ;)

You're right about the high speed buzz with the 912. The powerfin really smooths out the idle and low speed vibration, but there's always a hard-ish buzz in the seat with my 912. Even my 503's were silky smooth compared to that ;)

LS

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@...> wrote:
>
> LS,
>
> Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct-drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.
>
> --Kimberly
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ls78705
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@> wrote:
> >
> > Kess,
> >
> > The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
> >
> > --Kimberly
> >
>
> Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?
>
> One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.
>
> Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?
>
> If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....
>
> LS
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

LS,

Nah. You're turning a smaller diameter, lower-mass,direct-drive prop than the 912, so the torque on the mounts is no more than the 912S with a 6-inch larger diameter prop. Also, the six cylinders and direct drive are smoother than the thigh-revving 912-series, because the 912 gear box shortens and sharpens the power pulses returned to the mounts trying to turn the large smooth rotating inertial mass of the prop, particularly at lower RPM. We've been flying our 3300 2S since 2003. It is the right engine for the job for as heavy as we load the plane and the altitudes we fly it, and it is especially well-suited for the 2SS. I've flown many Titans with a variety of power plants, including jumping between the 912's and Jabirus for concurrent flights, and you can feel the difference in vibration.

--Kimberly


----- Original Message -----
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To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 6:22 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@...> wrote:
>
> Kess,
>
> The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
>
> --Kimberly
>

Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?

One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.

Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?

If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....

LS

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@...> wrote:
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> Kess,
>
> The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.
>
> --Kimberly
>

Just curious, but wouldn't the 3300, er, approach limits of the strength of the airframe in general on the I? Wouldn't the motor mounts be overstressed with the extra power and thrust etc?

One time a pilot ferrying an S/3300 home came through Santa Fe and I got to look at the combo up close. It reminded me of my old 5.0 mustang, with this big ol 302 shoehorned into that little bitty little car. It almost looked like the motor would twist off the frame soon as he advanced the throttle for takeoff.

Is the cage and overall airframe even able to handle all that power?

If I were rich, I'd have a single along with my SS but seems to me the most motor I'd ever want to put on it would be a 2200....

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

All Titans have the hat sections. Also, Kess, what do you mean about the rear spars being extended?

-- Guy

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Sent: Thu, December 24, 2009 12:01:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1


Ohhhh my, that kind of speed is invitng, but I have only 120 Vne wings, but it sure would be fun getting there faster, but my hangar mate, Pat is his name, is loving his Titan 1, having it only about three months, and having graduating up from Phantoms and Kolbs. His wings do have the hat sections, and the rear spar seems to extend farther than mine.
I'm going to forward this to him, as he wants to more about the 150mph wing. Also, his windows are really thick, and are probably the .090 ones

Thanks for your input.

Kess

----- Original Message -----
From: Kimberly Panos
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Kess,

The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.

--Kimberly

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Hey gang,

Has anyone put a Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1?? My hangar mate wants to dump his 503 and put on the big Jabiru. Is that too much engine for the Titan 1, or is too much never an issue. He can't stand flying at my speed, and wants to leave me in the dust. He could do that with the Jabiru 2200, but he wants that 2950fpm climb that I've heard about.
Wa-da-ya-think? ?

Kess

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kess" <kessb@...> wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> Has anyone put a Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1?? My hangar mate wants to dump his 503 and put on the big Jabiru. Is that too much engine for the Titan 1, or is too much never an issue. He can't stand flying at my speed, and wants to leave me in the dust. He could do that with the Jabiru 2200, but he wants that 2950fpm climb that I've heard about.
> Wa-da-ya-think??
>
> Kess
>
Kess,
Yah better don't put a 3300 on Titan I. It would be a rocket alright, because somewhere on the way up it would shed the wings. I'm flying a Titan I with a 2200 on it and it certainly leaves nothing to desire in performance. In fact flying it up close to the edge can get scary. I weigh 220 naked--15 gal tank--take off...400 ft.--runway is 3200 ft long and when I pass the end of it, I've been climbing at 90MPH and 1200 ft. altitude. Thats without trying hard. Personally, I have to watch VNE.
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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Ohhhh my, that kind of speed is invitng, but I have only 120 Vne wings, but it sure would be fun getting there faster, but my hangar mate, Pat is his name, is loving his Titan 1, having it only about three months, and having graduating up from Phantoms and Kolbs. His wings do have the hat sections, and the rear spar seems to extend farther than mine.
I'm going to forward this to him, as he wants to more about the 150mph wing. Also, his windows are really thick, and are probably the .090 ones

Thanks for your input.


Kess


----- Original Message -----
From: Kimberly Panos
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



Kess,

The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.

--Kimberly

----- Original Message -----
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To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Hey gang,

Has anyone put a Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1?? My hangar mate wants to dump his 503 and put on the big Jabiru. Is that too much engine for the Titan 1, or is too much never an issue. He can't stand flying at my speed, and wants to leave me in the dust. He could do that with the Jabiru 2200, but he wants that 2950fpm climb that I've heard about.
Wa-da-ya-think??

Kess

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Kess,

The diameter of the fiberglass gear legs would be my first concern if not replaced with Titanium. It would also need a 150VNE wing and wing mounts, and you'd want .090 windows so they don't push in or oil-can in flight. While the 3300 on the single place Tornado would be an absolute ball to fly at greater than 2000 FPM climb, it would also push it beyond the 150 VNE if not careful.

--Kimberly


----- Original Message -----
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To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1



Hey gang,

Has anyone put a Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1?? My hangar mate wants to dump his 503 and put on the big Jabiru. Is that too much engine for the Titan 1, or is too much never an issue. He can't stand flying at my speed, and wants to leave me in the dust. He could do that with the Jabiru 2200, but he wants that 2950fpm climb that I've heard about.
Wa-da-ya-think??

Kess

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[Titanaircraft] Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1

Hey gang,

Has anyone put a Jabiru 3300 on a Titan 1?? My hangar mate wants to dump his 503 and put on the big Jabiru. Is that too much engine for the Titan 1, or is too much never an issue. He can't stand flying at my speed, and wants to leave me in the dust. He could do that with the Jabiru 2200, but he wants that 2950fpm climb that I've heard about.
Wa-da-ya-think??

Kess

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Yep! Im a newbie...Subaru EA81

Well, you can almost fit two Jabiru 2200's for that weight. The Jabiru 3300 weighs 186 lbs.

--Kimberly


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:45 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Yep! Im a newbie...Subaru EA81



~The Subaru is a good engine, I fly behind one in my Lil Buzzard. Weight installed was about 240lbs w/redrive - making it probably too heavy an engine for a Tornado. Direct drive it could be as light as the 912/Jabs, but won't make near the power.
-Matt

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> Hey everyone,
>
> This is the first time that I have ever joined a group, but when it comes to safety, Ill do what it takes and I have read alot of good info here. I have just purchased a 912s that has a Subaru EA81 on it that hasnt been flight tested. I was looking for anybody out there that has any experience with this type of application. Thank you in advance!
>

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200

Hey pilotou76,

Does that mean that you are not going to use the Subaru and go with an engine more appropiate? The Jabiru will probably put many smiles on your face. Good luck in finding a good used one, and if you find two, let me know. My 503 needs to go on somebody's ultralight. The Thundergull/Titan airplanes need an engine like the Jabiru to make distant hops a regular thing. I was up in mine again today, and 100mph cruise is just fun, but the 4.6gph the EIS was telling me needs to be better, and 300 hour tear-downs kinda bug me too.

Happy flying!

Kess


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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:01 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200



Hey everyone,

I am looking for a Jabiru 2200. I have cash and am willing to come get it if it's reasonably close. If it has been in an accident or has had a prop strike I would still be willing to purchase. If anybody has a lead on one I would be deeply in your debt. I cant stand for my plane to stay on the ground, it's just not right. Thanks to everyone in advance!


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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200

Mr. Day,

Thank you for the reply, and I appreciate you keeping a lookout.  I hope you have a safe holiday season.


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From: Bill Day <cwtf2009@yahoo.com>
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 7:53:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200

 
I don't have a jabiru, but i understand how it is not to be flying. So I will keep my eye out for you and send that email to you when i see one.
 
Good Luck

--- On Wed, 12/23/09, pilotou76 <pilotou76@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: pilotou76 <pilotou76@yahoo. com>
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:01 PM

 

Hey everyone,

I am looking for a Jabiru 2200. I have cash and am willing to come get it if it's reasonably close. If it has been in an accident or has had a prop strike I would still be willing to purchase. If anybody has a lead on one I would be deeply in your debt. I cant stand for my plane to stay on the ground, it's just not right. Thanks to everyone in advance!

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200

I don't have a jabiru, but i understand how it is not to be flying. So I will keep my eye out for you and send that email to you when i see one.
 
Good Luck

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From: pilotou76 <pilotou76@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 7:01 PM


 

Hey everyone,

I am looking for a Jabiru 2200. I have cash and am willing to come get it if it's reasonably close. If it has been in an accident or has had a prop strike I would still be willing to purchase. If anybody has a lead on one I would be deeply in your debt. I cant stand for my plane to stay on the ground, it's just not right. Thanks to everyone in advance!

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[Titanaircraft] Jabiru 2200

Hey everyone,

I am looking for a Jabiru 2200. I have cash and am willing to come get it if it's reasonably close. If it has been in an accident or has had a prop strike I would still be willing to purchase. If anybody has a lead on one I would be deeply in your debt. I cant stand for my plane to stay on the ground, it's just not right. Thanks to everyone in advance!

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Yep! Im a newbie...Subaru EA81

~The Subaru is a good engine, I fly behind one in my Lil Buzzard. Weight installed was about 240lbs w/redrive - making it probably too heavy an engine for a Tornado. Direct drive it could be as light as the 912/Jabs, but won't make near the power.
-Matt

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> Hey everyone,
>
> This is the first time that I have ever joined a group, but when it comes to safety, Ill do what it takes and I have read alot of good info here. I have just purchased a 912s that has a Subaru EA81 on it that hasnt been flight tested. I was looking for anybody out there that has any experience with this type of application. Thank you in advance!
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[Titanaircraft] Re: Titan website down/gone?

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> yeah, I saw it too, it seems to be removed. whats's going on?
>

Never mind. It seems to be back now..... whew, don't scare me like that, I need to order a couple parts!

;)

LS


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Tuesday, December 22, 2009

Re: [Titanaircraft] Buying an Aircraft

Ja ja, what do you boys know about taxes?

I live in Sweden, THE capital of Scandinavia!!! and here, they make me pay taxes for watching the damned TV!!! I'm not kidding. If I don't pay radiotjänst, someone will come up to my home to see if I'm wtching TV. "Sir, I noticed you're watching TV without paying the proper taxes, I'm affraid I'm gonna have to confiscate you television device" Unbelieveble.

Ralph


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From: Donald Trisler <donaldtrisler@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 12:38:24 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Buying an Aircraft

 
Hey Brain, I misplaced you number. Tax in Coweta County are a millage rate. With the Titan and my Cherokee the Fair Market Value is 59,000.00 and the yearly rape in tax is around 680.80. The Titan is about 200.00 with the valve set at the kit price.
Hope you find a good Titan.
 Don
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From: beberle1@bellsouth. net <beberle1@bellsouth. net>
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Buying an Aircraft
To: Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 9:33 PM

 

Buying an airplane is a daunting task. The taxes and liens have me a little dazed. I'm considering buying my first aircraft, Please fill in the blanks if I'm missing anything:

-Make sure to do a lien/title search. If there is an existing lien, you're stuck w/ it.
-Sales tax is paid to the state where the aircraft is purchased.
-I live in GA and it appears they have a Use tax to get you in case you purchased the aircraft in a state w/o sales taxes. However, you get a credit towards the Use tax if you've already paid an equal amount of sales taxes?
-Property tax... from what little I could find, it looks like 1.8% annually in Coweta county. Since a plane doesn't depreciate very much, are you stuck w/ the same amount in taxes every year? For a $25k aircraft, that looks like $500/yr in taxes :-/

All insight/advice welcome~!
Brian

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