Monday, December 7, 2009

[Titanaircraft] Re: Any Tornado S or SS for sale in US or Canada

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, Tim Turner <janticon@...> wrote:
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> I was always taught to turn crosswind at 500' agl when departing unless under tower control....then you do what they say or you could be writing explanation letters to our friends at the FAA
> Tim T
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Ultimately, you're free to do it in whatever way is safe. Even at a towered airport you can turn at your discretion when you determine that it's safe to do so. There's no hard and fast rule.
If the tower gives you instructions otherwise of course you have to follow them, unless the instruction puts you into an unsafe situation (you never have to accept an unsafe clearance, like clearing you to land when a blackhawk is hovering right over the taxiway next to the numbers).

At my airport I've done everything from ultralight patterns at 400' AGL using half the length of the active to patterns where I'm halfway out of the class D on downwind to maintain spacing and follow the tower's instructions. OTOH, I've had the tower jog me off to one side and even "give me a right turn now", etc.

At uncontrolled fields you have to maintain your own visual seperation, but it's still pilot's discretion. Again unless there are specific requirements at a particular airport like noise abatement, non-standard pattern altitudes etc.

LS

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> From: ls78705 <lstavenhagen@...>
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 5:32:30 PM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Any Tornado S or SS for sale in US or Canada
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> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, "Terry Savage" <chaosrider@ ...> wrote:
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> > I have NEVER heard anything about getting to pattern altitude before turning
> > crosswind.
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> > Never in my training, never at a biennial.
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> > At the vast majority of airports I've flown to (not the real tiny ones, or
> > the dry lakebed), the airport diagram that's usually available tells you
> > WHERE, not at what altitude, to turn crosswind. All safety permitting, of
> > course. Frequently, but not always, it's for noise abatement reasons.
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> If it's not specified for your airport or by NOTAM or something like that, it's pilot's discretion. At towered airports like mine sometimes the controller will tell you he needs an early turnout or to fly runway heading for X miles or something like that to maintain separation from other planes, but otherwise it's up to you where or how high to turn.
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> If I'm doing pattern work I do whatever needs to be done to maintain sequencing with the other planes. When we have students flying wide patterns I've flown out as far as a mile to follow the other traffic. Already at TPA and settled into cruise and still on upwind ;)
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> LS
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