An interesting note: I have flown a Tornado 2D with a wheel pant, no fin and direct steering for about 8-10 hours and never noticed any adverse yaw concerns in the air. It flew jsut like one without any front wheel pant.
I have flown the Tornado 2S Kimberly just delivered with direct steering and also found this one to be rather sensitive, and quite different from ours with spring steering.
I wonder if the additional fuselage length from the leading edge of the wing forward between the 2D and the 2S accounts for the additional sensitivity because of additional leverage? If so, I bet the SS would be even more affected.
Mark
--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, Hugh Sontag <flying.hugh@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I learned something!
>
> The person I bought my plane from told me that he tried both direct
> steering and spring steering, and that the direct steering was much
> better.
>
> And my nose wheel pant has a fin on it.
>
> I've always noticed that the airplane is sensitive in yaw, but I've
> learned to keep the ball centered anyway.
>
> It seems that with the direct steering, I shouldn't have a fin!
>
> Anyone have comments on direct vs spring steering?
>
> Hugh
>
> >Hugh,
> >
> >The fin is only to keep the pant facing forward into the air stream
> >with spring steering. Titan disconnected the direct steering in lieu
> >of spring steering when running a nose wheel pant. With spring
> >steering and without the fin, the pant can turn off center due to
> >the air stream because it doesn't have a heavy positive dynamic
> >balance. If you have the fin on the wheel pant with direct steering,
> >you end up losing yaw stability, which causes the airplane ot 'hunt'
> >when trying to hold a heading, and is also hyper-sensitive around
> >neutral.
> >
> >--Kimberly
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Hugh Sontag
> >To: <mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com>Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:34 AM
> >Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Re: Started Flying with the Jab 2200
> >
> >Kimberly,
> >
> >Could you expand a little bit on your comment?
> >
> >If you use direct steering, a wheel pant on the nosewheel shouldn't
> >have the fin on it?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Hugh
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>Rob,
> >>
> >>I hope you are using the spring steering for your nosewheel if you
> >>have the fin on it.
> >>
> >>--Kimberly
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: jrceacampo
> >>To:
> >><mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com>Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> >>Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 2:25 PM
> >>Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Started Flying with the Jab 2200
> >>
> >>I do have the streamlined gear installed, (the Deluxe wheel pants
> >>kit from Titan). Although I did not have the pants on as I started
> >>testing the plane out of a grass(turf) runway. I'll put them on once
> >>I polish them a bit more.
> >>
> >>The front wheel pant has a fin in the back and I'm not sure this
> >>could have an effect on my flying. I thought about it for later on...
> >>
> >>Thanks, Rob.
> >>
> >>--- In
> >><mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com>Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com,
> >>Kimberly Panos <kimberly@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Rob,
> >>>
> >>> Wheelpants are worth different amounts the faster you go. Also, it
> >>>has been reported that an un-streamlined gear leg can cause as much
> >>>or more drag than an un-faired tire. If you are running both the
> >>>streamlined gear leg material and wheelpants, you might see 3-5 MPH
> >>>starting from 100 MPH without them.
> >>>
> >>> --Kimberly
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: jrceacampo <jrceacampo@>
> >>> To:
> >>><mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:Titanaircraft%40yahoogroups.com>Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:19:11 PM
> >>> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Re: Started Flying with the Jab 2200
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Since I don't have a VSI is a little more difficult right now that
> >>>I'm getting use to it. I'll have concentrate on the altimeter next
> >>>time; I figured that it might be a possibility due to the view from
> >>>the cockpit. I'm cruising at around 2850.
> >>>
> >>> What increase should I expect with the pants on? is it also
> >>>noticeable adding the nose wheel pant?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks both for your input!
> >>> Rob.
> >>>
> >>> --- In Titanaircraft@ yahoogroups. com, Jim Covington <jim@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > If you're not climbing, then you're not pitched too high.
> >>> >
> >>> > "boots" or pants on the wheels will give you a significant speed boost.
> >>> >
> >>> > What's your cruise RPM? That's one way to tell if you have the pitch set
> >>> > right.
> >>> >
> >>> > jrceacampo wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Hi All;
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I just started flying my Tornado 2 with a Jab 2200 and I had some
> >>> > > questions based on the first numbers I'm getting:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 1. So far RPM is around 3000 on take off maybe to 3100max. Cruise: I'm
> > >> > > getting around 100-105 Mph which I believe is a bit less than
> >>> > > expected. I'm still adjusting to the attitude of the plane so I might
> >>> > > be flying a bit pitch up. I don't have the boots on the tires
> >>>yet as well.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 2. All engine readings seems good, but the EGTs (2 rear cylinders) are
> >>> > > constantly at around 740 degrees C. I saw in the manual 680-720 should
> >>> > > be normal, is this because I'm breaking in the engine?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > 3. I have a Warp drive prop 64" set at 11 degrees, should I adjust it
> >>> > > to get more cruise? Climb rate seems quite good.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Thanks for your advice,
> >>> > > Rob.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>>
> >>
> >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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