Re: [Titanaircraft] Titan website down/gone?

yeah, I saw it too, it seems to be removed. whats's going on?

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From: ls78705 <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 6:10:45 PM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Titan website down/gone?

 
Hi all,

I noticed that titanaircraft. com seems not to be up. Is it temporarily down or has it moved or ?

Thanks,
LS

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S

Hey Aric, I'm 5' 11" and 210 lbs and fit fine. Had a II with a 582 pushing it...I got good performance out of it, but with the cost of a 582 and doing overhauls every 300 hours I would spend a couple thou more and get at least a Jab 2200...will be much cheaper in the long run because the Titan is so much fun to fly you're likely to wear out a 582 every year....lol
Tim T

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Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 1:02:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S

 
Aric,

As far as 2-strokes go -- your cruise fuel economy would be better with any of the 4-stroke engines if that helps. We had a standard 2-seater with the 618, and it had fairly respectible performance, but wasn't nearly as much fun or practical to operate as it was when we replaced it with the Jabiru 2200. The 618 also burned slightly more fuel in a 90-minute flight than our Jabiru 3300.

--Kimberly

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From: aricjf
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Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S

Hello all,

I'm considering a Tornado with a rotax 582. Does anyone have any experience with both the 2 and S? I'm basically looking for realistic performance changes with the larger S, what size pilot can fit in the 2 vs the S (what that extra 2 inches really translates to)and general recommendations. I'm not going to look at a larger engine just yet but I would really appreciate any insight anyone can shed and if it's worth getting the S over the 2.

Cheers,

Aric

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Tornado 2 vs S

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "aricjf" <aricjf@...> wrote:
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> Thanks everyone, I'm going to use the aircraft for flight training, primarily. If the school proves to be successful, and it makes sense, I'll look at a Jabiru or 912, but until I can see that I can turn a decent profit I'm going to keep expenses to a minimum. The S model does seem to make more sense though.
>

JMO,
If you're going to be doing training, the operating expenses of the 582 are actually going to be higher over time than with a Jab or even a 912. To do it right, you'll be having to take the 582 down for inspection/cleanup every 300 hours or less (the usual inteval is 150 hours). You may or may not have to do an overhaul at that time (if the engine is run hard i.e lots of dual in a training environment, I'd recommend a new crank at 300 hours)

Fuel burn will be a little higher along with, as high as 6gph if you're really wringing it out flying dual and doing lots of pattern work.

So particularly if you plan to pile a lot of hours on the plane, you're going to be better off long-term with something else that won't require as much ongoing maintenance. I.e. the Jab or the 912.

The 582 is only more cost-effective when a good maint. schedule (150 hour teardown/cleanup intervals) doesn't interfere that much and you're not putting loads of hours on the plane all at once.

LS

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Tornado 2 vs S

Thanks everyone, I'm going to use the aircraft for flight training, primarily. If the school proves to be successful, and it makes sense, I'll look at a Jabiru or 912, but until I can see that I can turn a decent profit I'm going to keep expenses to a minimum. The S model does seem to make more sense though.

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@...> wrote:
>
> Aric,
>
> As far as 2-strokes go -- your cruise fuel economy would be better with any of the 4-stroke engines if that helps. We had a standard 2-seater with the 618, and it had fairly respectible performance, but wasn't nearly as much fun or practical to operate as it was when we replaced it with the Jabiru 2200. The 618 also burned slightly more fuel in a 90-minute flight than our Jabiru 3300.
>
> --Kimberly
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aricjf
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:30 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm considering a Tornado with a rotax 582. Does anyone have any experience with both the 2 and S? I'm basically looking for realistic performance changes with the larger S, what size pilot can fit in the 2 vs the S (what that extra 2 inches really translates to)and general recommendations. I'm not going to look at a larger engine just yet but I would really appreciate any insight anyone can shed and if it's worth getting the S over the 2.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aric
>
>
>
>
>
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[Titanaircraft] Titan website down/gone?

Hi all,

I noticed that titanaircraft.com seems not to be up. Is it temporarily down or has it moved or ?

Thanks,
LS

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[Titanaircraft] Re: Tornado 2 vs S

i get 4.5 to 5.5 gallons fuel burn on a T2 582 cruising at 80-85mph. i suspect that any 912,912s,jab does much better speed and fuel burn. if i try and keep up with 912s cruise you burn 6 plus gallons per hour doing only 95.

read that rotax just raised TBO to 2000 hours also. have to change my crank at 300 hours 140 hours from now.( if it does not snap before that ;(. 2 strokes are ok but if you can afford i would go 4 stroke any day.

louis

--- In Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com, "Kimberly Panos" <kimberly@...> wrote:
>
> Aric,
>
> As far as 2-strokes go -- your cruise fuel economy would be better with any of the 4-stroke engines if that helps. We had a standard 2-seater with the 618, and it had fairly respectible performance, but wasn't nearly as much fun or practical to operate as it was when we replaced it with the Jabiru 2200. The 618 also burned slightly more fuel in a 90-minute flight than our Jabiru 3300.
>
> --Kimberly
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aricjf
> To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:30 AM
> Subject: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S
>
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm considering a Tornado with a rotax 582. Does anyone have any experience with both the 2 and S? I'm basically looking for realistic performance changes with the larger S, what size pilot can fit in the 2 vs the S (what that extra 2 inches really translates to)and general recommendations. I'm not going to look at a larger engine just yet but I would really appreciate any insight anyone can shed and if it's worth getting the S over the 2.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Aric
>
>
>
>
>
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>

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Re: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S

Aric,

As far as 2-strokes go -- your cruise fuel economy would be better with any of the 4-stroke engines if that helps. We had a standard 2-seater with the 618, and it had fairly respectible performance, but wasn't nearly as much fun or practical to operate as it was when we replaced it with the Jabiru 2200. The 618 also burned slightly more fuel in a 90-minute flight than our Jabiru 3300.

--Kimberly

----- Original Message -----
From: aricjf
To: Titanaircraft@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 10:30 AM
Subject: [Titanaircraft] Tornado 2 vs S

Hello all,

I'm considering a Tornado with a rotax 582. Does anyone have any experience with both the 2 and S? I'm basically looking for realistic performance changes with the larger S, what size pilot can fit in the 2 vs the S (what that extra 2 inches really translates to)and general recommendations. I'm not going to look at a larger engine just yet but I would really appreciate any insight anyone can shed and if it's worth getting the S over the 2.

Cheers,

Aric

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